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I'm putting this mod on hold for a little while until I get my bulki fleet mod done. Once I'm done with that I'm going to completely redo all ship hulls and make this a conversion mod instead of the ships being random events.

USS Defiant:
The only warship to be initially designed by the federation, carrying the only legal cloaking device in the federation with the assistance of the Romulan Republic. Armed with Pulse Phaser Banks, Quantum Torpedoes and over powered engines, this fast ship was designed to fight. Although it is officially on record as a freighter escort for Federation Cargo Ships it is an off record war ship. This ship also has little to no luxury stations or quarters. Along with a small medbay this ship is equiped with Ablative hull plating which prevents systems from being damaged by direct energy attacks.

Hull:



Cloak:



With Rooms and Power Levels:
(Coming soon)
This will only be a player ship and will either replace the Kestrel or Mantis War Ship
This will also come with a custom augment that will will negate ion damage to systems other than shields.


All of the ships I will try and make custom cloaks and shields bit may just re use FTL's shields if I need to.


Currently I have one of the smaller ships done but I need to figure out how to give them custom event without breaking FTL,

I love the ideas, but as a Star Trek fan, i dont like the mod, since the ships you are creating doesnt exist in the Star Trek universe.. xD (The Galaxy class is a heavy cruiser designed for exploration, it never was a "Battle" cruiser). And of course, they cant use cloak, for example. So, instead of using star trek ships, y not just to make your own custom designs?? just saying... it will be better, since any star trek lover will not be too happy about this mod ^^.

The galaxy class was never an "armored" ship, in fact, it has the same hull integrity than any other Federation ship, the only difference was it has greater resistance, more shields and more photon torpedoes warheads. Even the Defiant (a ship really small compared with the galaxy class) will almost destroy a Galaxy class if the galaxy class doesnt have the ability to take the Defiant down before it gets too close. But the Federation built A LOT of galaxy classes, not only for the Borg war, but for the Dominion wars and other conflicts as well. As i said, they are no special ships, just bigger ones and with better sensor systems. The Enterprise was exactly like any other galaxy class, the only difference was the Captain xD, and the role of the ship to be the flag of the fleet. The weapons are the same as other galaxy class, the sensor systems are the same, the shields are the same, etc...

But keep it going, since for the non star trek lovers out there this mod will be very interesting!

speedoflight wrote:the ships you are creating doesnt exist in the Star Trek universe.. xD (The Galaxy class is a heavy cruiser designed for exploration, it never was a "Battle" cruiser).

Article: Mempory Alpha - TNG "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Tasha tells Castillo that she has been serving on the Enterprise for four years, implying that in the alternate universe the Enterprise-D has been in service longer than its counterpart by at least a year. She also tells him that the Enterprise was the first Galaxy-class warship.

speedoflight wrote:And of course, they cant use cloak

Article: Memory Alpha - TNG "The Pegasus"

"Captain's Log, stardate 47457.1. We have been trapped inside the asteroid for over eight hours. Mr. Data and Cmdr. La Forge inform me that they are nearly ready to engage the cloak."

speedoflight wrote:The galaxy class was never an "armored" ship, in fact, it has the same hull integrity than any other Federation ship

Article: Memory Alpha - Ablative Armor

The Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual also suggests that the Galaxy-class was fitted with an ablative hull layer [which possessed a capability for rapidly dissipating the energy impacts from directed energy weapon fire]

To be fair, the Defiant got armor too.

speedoflight wrote:the Federation built A LOT of galaxy classes, not only for the Borg war, but for the Dominion wars and other conflicts as well. As i said, they are no special ships, just bigger ones and with better sensor systems. The Enterprise was exactly like any other galaxy class

Mostly right. Only six were named in the shows, but there were lots of unnamed ships. The class wasn't made in response to a specific conflict. But individual ships could have different upgrades, and the Enterprise had Data, La Forge, and Worf onboard to tweak things.

Article: Memory Alpha - Galaxy-class

The article has some more to say about battleships...

On screen, the USS Enterprise-D has been casually referred to as a battleship in TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "All Good Things...". However, these instances take place in alternate timelines and it is not known if "battleship" is an actual starship type within Starfleet. In the episode TNG: "Conundrum", the Galaxy-class Enterprise-D was described as a battleship, based on her specifications.

I am in agreement with speedoflight. Most of the quotes you responded with were either A: illegal technology or B: alternate timelines, and in the case of the cloaking device, it was a phase cloak, not a regular cloak. And, again, illegal.

Furthermore, I will note that the graphics are extremely sub-par (cloaking isn't bad, though) and need a lot of working on. It's not even shaped like a Galaxy!

dalolorn wrote:I am in agreement with speedoflight.

I also agree. The OP storyline and ships are definitely not canon.

dalolorn wrote:[The two episode quotes] you responded with were either A: illegal technology or B: alternate timelines, and in the case of the cloaking device, it was a phase cloak, not a regular cloak. And, again, illegal.

Handwave it as an alternate timeline where the tech wasn't illegal. Bam! Problem solved.

dalolorn wrote:It's not even shaped like a Galaxy!

It could kinda resemble an Excelsior though.

Vhati wrote:

dalolorn wrote:I am in agreement with speedoflight.

I also agree. The OP storyline and ships are definitely not canon.

dalolorn wrote:[The two episode quotes] you responded with were either A: illegal technology or B: alternate timelines, and in the case of the cloaking device, it was a phase cloak, not a regular cloak. And, again, illegal.

Handwave it as an alternate timeline where the tech wasn't illegal. Bam! Problem solved.

dalolorn wrote:It's not even shaped like a Galaxy!

It could kinda resemble an Excelsior though.

When you only use three quotes to respond with, I'd say that "two" qualifies as "most". That said, a phase cloak would be incompatible with how FTL cloaking works, so it's likely that the OP is going for the more common variety of cloaking device.

I don't think any Starfleet vessel ever had nacelles like that.

There is an "official" line of ships, technologies and there is an "unofficial" line of ships and technologies that are only present in very rare cases and / only in novels of star trek. I mean, of course there are always episodes where u can see a federation ship using cloak or other rare technologies, like transphasic torpedoes, phased ablative armor and such a great named things ^^, but if we talk about regular ships, and the technology the Federation ships are able to carry, we cant include cloak, thats for sure. And if you add cloak to Federation ships, then again, klingon or romulan ships are really dumb using cloak, and all the star trek universe fall apart xD. One of the directives of the Federation was the forbidden use of technologies like cloaking, and thats one of the most importants aspects of Star Trek related with the starfleet. Klingons and Romulans can use cloak, Federation cant, just leave it that way.. or you are modyfing the star trek universe for worst...

I dont care how they call the Galaxy class once in a while, it was never a Warship, Battle cruiser or anything related to combat capabilites. The Defiant IS a warship, the Galaxy class is not, is that simple. A simple Defiant , theorically, can destroy a galaxy class, just like that. Now tell me again, is the Galaxy class a warship? lol. Yes, they have more quantity of photon torpedos than other ships, and better shields cuz its bigger, xD, but more than that, Galaxy class its just an exploration ship with the same kind of weapons as the other classes, that in this case will be useless against the speed, power and pulse phasers of the Defiant (not to mention the cloaking device, the Defiant is the only ship that LEGALLY carries a cloaking device). The Defiant is designed for combat this means all the power is redirected to weapons, engines, for example making the Defiant a really war machine. The galaxy class cant even move compared with the Defiant and it is really useless in combat trying to destroy small targets flying around (i can remember now the episode of DS9 in where 2 small jem haddar attack ships destroy a Galaxy class in about 10 seconds..). Then you see how the pulse phasers pass through the shields of any ship and realize that the Defiant is even faster than the Jem Haddar attack ships.. so imagine the hell a Defiant will do in the Galaxy class.

In fact, until the arrive of the Sovereign class, all the Federation ships carried the same weapon systems, phasers and photon torpedos, with the exception of the Defiant (pulse phasers). When the first Enterprise-E was build, this time it was not thinking on an exploration ship, but more intended to combat, the Federation spent a lot of resources in exploration purposes and they realized that a stronger force was needed to fight the Dominion and the Borg. So, the Enterprise - E was the first ship in the Federation (with the exception again of the Defiant) having different weapons as the other ships (Quantum Torpedos), as well as better armor platting to counter the Borg. As i said, u can call the mod, "alternate versions of the galaxy class and the Federation technology tree" or something like that, but if you try to make a faithful mod about Galaxy classes.. this is not the way..

Well to be completely honest I was trying to go for a more post Romulan, Klingon and Borg Federation where the Federation now had access to such technologies and after encountering so many hostile races they began to focus on a heavier military type of situation.

So I guess you could argue I am tearing apart the ST universe, but I just wanted to make some classes of ships I though would be interesting and would fit into FTL a bit more. But anyways yeah almost non of this is canon except for the Enterprise-E, slightly though lol.

The only reason I did call the Enterprise-E a Dreadnought class was because at the time of it's creation and use it would be designated as the Federation's Flagship in a wartime situation where the Federation fleet was called to amass to a certain location. So yeah I am twisting some things around, and I know the Light Class I posted is sub par but I'm working on improving it.