Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II, I?

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Cerberus™
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Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II, I?

Postby Cerberus™ » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:19 pm

I'm in a bit of a luxurious position, I've made some very lucky purchases. I am with the Kestrel A at the Last Stand. (I hope this time I won't accidentally wait at the base or misunderstand how you're supposed to meet the Flagship, resulting in a quick "you lost twice.) I have:

- Mark III laser (5 shots, 4 power, 19 sec)
- Mark II laser (3 shots, 2 power, 12 sec)
- Mark I laser (2 shots, 2 power, 11 sec)
- Artemis (1 missile, 1 power, 11 sec)

I have weapons (and shields) fully upgraded, so a total of 8 weapons power. But now I have the opportunity to buy another Burst Laser Mark II for 80 scrap. I still have about 150 scrap. I can't use all four lasers at the same time, so I'd have to discard one of the ones I already have.

- I could discard my Mark I for max fire-power: 11 shots at once (or 6 shots after 11/12 sec, then another 5 at 19s)..
- I could discard my Mark III for max speed: 8 shots in 12 sec. Then I could also have the Artemis missile active at the same time for another 2 damage.
- I could forego the Mark II in the store, saving 80 scrap to invest in...something.

On the one hand, maximum simultaneous fire-power is really useful: if 40 % of my shots miss, I'll still get 6–7 in, which means 2–3 damage after taking down 4 shields. But only once every 19 seconds until shields have been damaged a lot.

On the other hand, if I count the missile as 1 shot (fire it at the shields first to damage them), I can have a "net" fire-power of 8+1=9 shots, with 2x Mark II + Mark I + Artemis, firing every 12 seconds, so almost twice as fast.

What would you do?

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CFIT
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Re: Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II,

Postby CFIT » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:50 pm

A. Sell the hull repair drone. You won't need it now. Use the money for whatever upgrades you deem fit. If you get an anti-ship drone, or possibly a boarding one, great.
B. Same for the drone recovery arm. You should have a ton of drones now for the last stand. Maybe you'll get lucky on the way to the Mothership. Worst case, you can upgrade something. Cloak, teleporter and medbay should all be lvl.2 at least.
C. With the auto-loader and a proper crew, the Mk III should be firing pretty well. Still, I'd go with the 2xMkII, 1xMkI and 1xArtemis. As you point out, it's faster and closer to being synchronised. You should have tons of stores for the final battle. Now if you had a Pre-igniter, things would be different. Plus, you're only spending 25 net for the upgrade.

Basically a Mark III = mark II + I + slowness

Either way, you can't lose.
The Dwarf
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Re: Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II,

Postby The Dwarf » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:59 pm

I'd go for the Mk 2 laser and drop the Mk 3.
1- 8 laser shot + 1 missile should hit 6 times, that should be enough, especially if the missile hit the shield room.
2- You'll use only 7 energy instead of 7, leaving 1 free for anything else.
3- 1 "spare" weapon power to take a hit without depowering a laser.

Sell both recovery arms, useless now. I'd keep the hull repair drone, though. Could be usefull between two rounds.
And upgrade cloak and teleporter, medbay if you have any remaining scrap.

And as stated by CFIT, you should soon be known as The Savior.
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Re: Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II,

Postby Cerberus™ » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:03 pm

CFIT wrote:A. Sell the hull repair drone. You won't need it now. Use the money for whatever upgrades you deem fit. If you get an anti-ship drone, or possibly a boarding one, great.
B. Same for the drone recovery arm. You should have a ton of drones now for the last stand. Maybe you'll get lucky on the way to the Mothership. Worst case, you can upgrade something. Cloak, teleporter and medbay should all be lvl.2 at least.
C. With the auto-loader and a proper crew, the Mk III should be firing pretty well. Still, I'd go with the 2xMkII, 1xMkI and 1xArtemis. As you point out, it's faster and closer to being synchronised. You should have tons of stores for the final battle. Now if you had a Pre-igniter, things would be different. Plus, you're only spending 25 net for the upgrade.

Basically a Mark III = mark II + I + slowness

Either way, you can't lose.


Thanks for your reply! I was already in the last shop before the Flagship, so no chance to find any other equipment. I kept the hull-repair drone just in case, I didn't know what to expect in the boss fight, I wanted to play it safe. I sold scrap recovery and should probably have sold drone recovery too at that stage. (Though there weren't many things I still needed to upgrade so I didn't really need the scrap anyway...) I went for the 2nd Mark II and sold the Mark III, as you said, and the first boss stage was indeed easy (my first time)! It was over very quickly, I killed his hull before I had any weapons disabled (went for the shields). Then I had to leave in a hurry and accidentally quit the game without saving...*deskface* So I never got to experience the other stages. Oh, well!
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Re: Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II,

Postby Cerberus™ » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:07 pm

The Dwarf wrote:I'd go for the Mk 2 laser and drop the Mk 3.
1- 8 laser shot + 1 missile should hit 6 times, that should be enough, especially if the missile hit the shield room.
2- You'll use only 7 energy instead of 7, leaving 1 free for anything else.
3- 1 "spare" weapon power to take a hit without depowering a laser.

Sell both recovery arms, useless now. I'd keep the hull repair drone, though. Could be usefull between two rounds.
And upgrade cloak and teleporter, medbay if you have any remaining scrap.

And as stated by CFIT, you should soon be known as The Savior.

Thanks! I did just that for exactly those reasons (except keep the drone recovery, which would probably have been superfluous at that stage). The first stage was very easy, I destroyed his hull before I could even disable his weapons, but he couldn't hit me, what with cloak and evasion and shields. So I took no damage. Then I accidentally quit without saving, very stupid. But I trust I would have survived the other stages.

As to cloaking, isn't it true that at a higher level it also takes longer to recharge? I read that somewhere, and cloak is mainly useful for avoiding missiles and shots anyway, so I'm not sure upgrading cloak is worth the scrap and the power? I'd rather have it recharge faster to be ready for the next volley of missiles.
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Re: Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II,

Postby The Dwarf » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:16 pm

Cerberus™ wrote:As to cloaking, isn't it true that at a higher level it also takes longer to recharge? I read that somewhere, and cloak is mainly useful for avoiding missiles and shots anyway, so I'm not sure upgrading cloak is worth the scrap and the power? I'd rather have it recharge faster to be ready for the next volley of missiles.


I'm not sure, but I do not feel it takes longer - 4 clock turns, no more, whatever level.
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Re: Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II,

Postby Cerberus™ » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:22 pm

Hm someone should time it...
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Re: Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II,

Postby Diet Water » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:50 pm

Cloaking takes 20 seconds to cool down, no matter what. The usefulness of longer cloak ends up being a disadvantage only against the flagship's power surges, because cloaking doesn't stop their recharge like normal weapons.
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Re: Buy 2nd Burst Laser Mark II if you already have III, II,

Postby Cerberus™ » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:34 pm

Ah, yes, perhaps that is what this person meant.